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寄件者:Mika Makelainen (mika@makelainen.com)
主旨:Inside report: DXing in China
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日期:2002-06-29 14:21:33 PST
An inside look at DXing and Broadcasting in China. In Danny Wu's article
you can read about how the Internet has united Chinese DXers, and what
the economic realities for DXers and radio stations are in today's
China. Check it out at http://www.dxing.info/articles/chinese_dxing.dx

73
Mika Mäkeläinen
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寄件者:DXlover574738846 (dxlover574738846@aol.com)
主旨:Re: Inside report: DXing in China
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日期:2002-06-29 14:53:42 PST
>An inside look at DXing and Broadcasting in China. In Danny Wu's article
>you can read about how the Internet has united Chinese DXers, and what
>the economic realities for DXers and radio stations are in today's

That is a good read,  thanks for the info. :-)
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寄件者:Diverd4777 (diverd4777@aol.com)
主旨:Re: Inside report: DXing in China
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日期:2002-06-29 15:39:49 PST
In article <20020629175256.17884.00003091@mb-bk.aol.com>,
dxlover574738846@aol.com (DXlover574738846) writes:

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>>An inside look at DXing and Broadcasting in China. In Danny Wu's article
>>you can read about how the Internet has united Chinese DXers, and what
>>the economic realities for DXers and radio stations are in today's
>
>That is a good read,  thanks for the info. :-)
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(from the article)

"The price of a Sony ICF-SW7600GR amounts to the monthly salary of a high
school teacher. 
Tecsun HAM-2000 (a Chinese type Grundig Satellit-800) costs a month's income of
an average Chinese family. Except for a few top DXers, the majority of radio
buffs can only use cheap portable radios to receive signals. The equipment is
in shortage. What is worse, it is hard to buy some reference books such as
WRTH. In order to get news about foreign DX, they have to surf on line."
Message 4 in thread
寄件者:Silicon Geek (geek@s.v)
主旨:Re: Inside report: DXing in China
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日期:2002-06-29 18:47:27 PST
In article <20020629183850.15110.00000153@mb-bh.aol.com>, 
diverd4777@aol.com says...
>
>In article <20020629175256.17884.00003091@mb-bk.aol.com>,
>dxlover574738846@aol.com (DXlover574738846) writes:
>
>>
>>>An inside look at DXing and Broadcasting in China. In Danny Wu's  article
>>>you can read about how the Internet has united Chinese DXers, and  what
>>>the economic realities for DXers and radio stations are in today's
>>
>>That is a good read,  thanks for the info. :-)
>>
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>(from the article)
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>"The price of a Sony ICF-SW7600GR amounts to the monthly salary of a  high
>school teacher. 
>Tecsun HAM-2000 (a Chinese type Grundig Satellit-800) costs a month's  income of
>an average Chinese family. Except for a few top DXers, the majority of  radio
>buffs can only use cheap portable radios to receive signals. The  equipment is
>in shortage. What is worse, it is hard to buy some reference books such  as
>WRTH. In order to get news about foreign DX, they have to surf on 
line."

What do you expect, China is a totalitarian state, albeit one with a 
semifree market. You can see a sample of what the average Chinese uses 
on page 116 of Passport 2002. Yes, the Bolong HS490, with a cost of 360 
yuan. Note that it only tunes via 10 presets and up/down slewing. This 
makes it less likely that the average Chinese will stumble upon say a 
Radio Free Asia broadcast. And since only a tiny number of Chinese have 
access to the internet, it's almost impossible to find out what the 
freqs and times are. I suspect that most of the other SW radios sold in 
China follow this design. The old style analog tuned radios that were 
used in the Soviet Bloc had more chance of letting the DXer hear a 
censored signal.
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寄件者:Daniel Say (say@sfu.ca)
主旨:Re: Inside report: DXing in China
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日期:2002-06-29 23:20:02 PST
, geek@s.v (Silicon Geek) wrote:
> >>
> >>>An inside look at DXing and Broadcasting in China. In Danny Wu's  article
> >>>you can read about how the Internet has united Chinese DXers, and  what
> >>>the economic realities for DXers and radio stations are in today's
> >"The price of a Sony ICF-SW7600GR amounts to the monthly salary of a  high
> >school teacher. 
> >Tecsun HAM-2000 (a Chinese type Grundig Satellit-800) costs a month's  income of
> >an average Chinese family. Except for a few top DXers, the majority of  radio
> >buffs can only use cheap portable radios to receive signals. The  equipment is
> >in shortage. What is worse, it is hard to buy some reference books such  as
> >WRTH. In order to get news about foreign DX, they have to surf on 
> line."
> 
> What do you expect, China is a totalitarian state, albeit one with a 
> semifree market. You can see a sample of what the average Chinese uses 
> on page 116 of Passport 2002. Yes, the Bolong HS490, with a cost of 360 
> yuan. Note that it only tunes via 10 presets and up/down slewing. This 
> makes it less likely that the average Chinese will stumble upon say a 
> Radio Free Asia broadcast. 
	Average?  They have all the Grundig models, and as explained
	above, a few might buy a Sony 7600.
	But the problem is language. They'd prefer to listen in their
	own language, just as you listen to English-language stations.
	The VoA, BBC frequencies and relay freqs and locations are known
	by many people and widely published/written about.
	I've seen them on college walls.
> And since only a tiny number of Chinese have 
> access to the internet, it's almost impossible to find out what the 
> freqs and times are. I suspect that most of the other SW radios sold in 
> China follow this design. The old style analog tuned radios that were 
> used in the Soviet Bloc had more chance of letting the DXer hear a 
> censored signal. 
	You haven't seen the Tecsun pamphlets that come with their
	radios.  Hundreds of stations are listed.
	Most radios, in department stores, follow the Grundig 300 design.
	Few buy analog radios anymore, though they are and were common.
	Friends have Sonys, the Chinese made Phillip digital and Tecsuns.
	It's not the dxing but the language difficulty in knowing what
	they are hearing.
	If you are on the east coast, everyone is trying to get to you.
	If in the central asian section such as Urumuqi or Kashi, every
	station in the world seems to land a 'bounce' there.  (Near
	Urumuqi is a marker for the Geographical Centre of Asia)

|-\_,-~-\___...__._._._._._._._._._._._.
For real Dxing, see http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~vz6g-iwt/index.html
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寄件者:Dennis Ferguson (dennis@wawa.juniper.net)
主旨:Re: Inside report: DXing in China
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日期:2002-06-30 11:00:20 PST
Silicon Geek <geek@s.v> wrote:
>diverd4777@aol.com says...
>>"The price of a Sony ICF-SW7600GR amounts to the monthly salary of a  high
>>school teacher. 
>>Tecsun HAM-2000 (a Chinese type Grundig Satellit-800) costs a month's  income of
>>an average Chinese family. Except for a few top DXers, the majority of  radio
>>buffs can only use cheap portable radios to receive signals. The  equipment is
>>in shortage. What is worse, it is hard to buy some reference books such  as
>>WRTH. In order to get news about foreign DX, they have to surf on 
>line."
>
>What do you expect, China is a totalitarian state, albeit one with a 
>semifree market. You can see a sample of what the average Chinese uses 
>on page 116 of Passport 2002. Yes, the Bolong HS490, with a cost of 360 
>yuan. Note that it only tunes via 10 presets and up/down slewing. This 
>makes it less likely that the average Chinese will stumble upon say a 
>Radio Free Asia broadcast. And since only a tiny number of Chinese have 
>access to the internet, it's almost impossible to find out what the 
>freqs and times are. I suspect that most of the other SW radios sold in 
>China follow this design. The old style analog tuned radios that were 
>used in the Soviet Bloc had more chance of letting the DXer hear a 
>censored signal. 

I don't think the stuff about the availability of radios is true at all.
While it might not be exactly typical, in Shenzhen I saw them selling not
only a big variety of Grundig-like and Sony radios but also Japanese
tabletops.  If you have the money you can buy whatever you want, the
only problem is that a lot of Chinese don't have a lot of money.

Also, the stuff about Internet access isn't really true either.  I visit
a place where a lot of people don't have indoor plumbing and refrigerators,
let alone computers, but there's still an Internet cafe in the town that
charges 2 RMB per hour to use one of their's.  If you want Internet
access you can have it too.

I could be wrong but I don't get the impression that most Chinese people
feel particularly constrained by much that the government there does.
The limitations on what they can buy are due mostly to limitations on
what they can afford, if you can afford it you can have it.  And the
cheap stuff which is all some people can afford doesn't seem to be
intentionally limited either, it is just cheap.

Dennis Ferguson
Message 7 in thread
寄件者:CW (clinton.magers@attbi.com)
主旨:Re: Inside report: DXing in China
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日期:2002-06-30 12:52:11 PST
You are quite right about this. If you are born under oppression, grew up
under oppression, that is normal. The term "You don't know what you're
missing" comes to mind.
--
CW
KC7NOD
Web Page  http://www.kc7nod.20m.com

"Dennis Ferguson" <dennis@wawa.juniper.net> wrote in message
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> Silicon Geek <geek@s.v> wrote:
>> I could be wrong but I don't get the impression that most Chinese people
> feel particularly constrained by much that the government there does.
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寄件者:Frank Dresser (fdre584352@aol.com)
主旨:Re: Inside report: DXing in China
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日期:2002-06-30 00:38:50 PST
>From: diverd4777@aol.com  (Diverd4777) 
>(from the article)
>
>"The price of a Sony ICF-SW7600GR amounts to the monthly salary of a high
>school teacher. 
>Tecsun HAM-2000 (a Chinese type Grundig Satellit-800) costs a month's income
>of
>an average Chinese family. Except for a few top DXers, the majority of radio
>buffs can only use cheap portable radios to receive signals. The equipment is
>in shortage. What is worse, it is hard to buy some reference books such as
>WRTH. In order to get news about foreign DX, they have to surf on line."
>
>


A low-end S-38 cost almost fifty bucks back in 1947.  Big money back then. 
Almost every SW superhet was more expensive.  SW radios during the depression
cost even more.  People made the sacrifice if they thought is worthwhile.  If
broadcasters such as the VOA can put out interesting and newsworthy
programming, people will be listening.

Frank Dresser

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